Might be bailing on the Android ship soon

"CB" (jrcb) 04/16/2020 at 15:10 • Filed to: Never be a fanboy

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Not going to lie, the new iPhone SE looks pretty solid. Considering the fact it’ll be $670 CAD for a 128 gig model sounds radical, when it seems like most phones are pushing a thousand bucks these days. How did I get to the point where I’m considering a new iPhone as a smart financial decision?

Grindintosecond > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:14

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Thats my next one. Fruit based phones. I just want it to work.

CB > Grindintosecond 04/16/2020 at 15:16

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I hear you, I frequently have to restart my Pixel 2 in order to get it to make calls.

PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120 > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:17

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What android phones are you comparing this iphone se against? Also, just a word of caution, I went from android exclusive to iphone exclusive a few years back because work wanted to give me an iphone but I didn’t want 2 phones. It wasn’t fun, I was too ingrained in the android ecosystem that switching to iOS wasn’t easy. I don’t have Macs so that didn’t make it any better but YMMV . Good luck!

Just Jeepin' > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:17

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And another one down, another one down, another one bites the dust...

I’ve been a non-stop Apple user for the last 15 years, and used them for several years when I was younger. There are plenty of pain points, but overall the ecosystem integration and focus on quality hardware really pays off.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:19

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I suppose there’s a case to be made... but it feels like surrendering to the Borg Queen. Plus there’s no consumer product I’ve owned in the last 20 years that I hated day-in-day-out as much as that iPhone 5c I carried as a spare for awhile.

But mainly, I refuse to surrender to her bitchy walled garden again.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:20

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Once you go apple you never go back.

CB > PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120 04/16/2020 at 15:20

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Only semi-considered the Pixel 4 (nothing about it really interests me), the Samsung S20 (wow that’s expensive), and Oneplus 7/8. I’m just interested in a midrange phone with good specs, and this seems to scratch that itch.

I went from iOS 3 to Symbian to Andriod, I’ve used OS X, all types of W indows, surveillance footage software of a million kinds. I’m not super worried about trying to learn a new OS.

TrickJos > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:20

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This has some nice specs for the price.

My wife is still using the previous version of the SE. I really hope she upgrades to this. She really doesn’t want to give up the small size, but the old one won’t last forever and small phones aren’t coming back.

CB > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 04/16/2020 at 15:22

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I don’t do anything with my phone that I’m concerned about a “walled garden”. And at this point, everyone is evil (Google gave up their old motto), it just depends who you’re fine with giving your money to.

Also, Android fanatics/Apple  haters are worse than Apple fanboys in my experience. I don’t understand it.

CB > TrickJos 04/16/2020 at 15:23

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The size is also a big selling point. I don’t want a huge phone.

CB > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 04/16/2020 at 15:23

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I left once before and I’ll do it again!

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:23

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What about the upcoming pixel 4a?

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:24

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It’s harder once you have the watch, phone, computer, ipad, etc...

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 04/16/2020 at 15:25

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I’ve had an iPhone for work and pixel for personal use for 2 years now. If I could combine elements of each into one, I would.

Overall, I'm all Pixel though

CB > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 04/16/2020 at 15:27

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I’m likely not buying for another few months, and I haven’t had it on my radar, but maybe. Unfortunately, rumourmill and previous Google disappointment don’t set it as a top contender for now.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:27

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I’m not a brand loyalist by any means but now that I know IOS I’d struggle with anything else. 

CB > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 04/16/2020 at 15:28

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I had the iPods and the Macbook, still left. Never go all in on an ecosystem.

He says, as a photographer with a lot of money in Sony stuff.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 04/16/2020 at 15:28

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Bought an iPhone XS last summer and am itching to get rid of it. I’m really missing my OnePlus 6. I’m probably going to end up with the Oneplus Z when it comes out later this year.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 04/16/2020 at 15:29

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Me IRL:

TrickJos > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:30

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Yes, this is good size in my opinion. She thinks it is too big. The previous SE is the same form factor as the iPhone 5.

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:31

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I have a personal S10e and a work phone iPhone 8. I haaaate the Apple device, some of the decisions on the UI front are just annoying to me.

Also, got the Samsung for $470 out the door as a Verizon device...

ttyymmnn > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 04/16/2020 at 15:31

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Exactly. Once you’re in the Appleshere, it’s hard to bail. And Apple knows it.

ttyymmnn > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 04/16/2020 at 15:32

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To be fair, the 5C was a pretty shitty, entry level iPhone. 

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:32

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Hopefully it’s better than my iPhone 7 that I have to restart about once every two weeks due to crashing.

Slant6 > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:33

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I certainly see the appeal. I think I still got a few more years in my Pixel 3, but the ubiquity of iPhones is becoming a hard feature to overlook. I feel like once a week my coworkers roll their eyes when I text them and it’s not an iMessage.

That being said I love being a difficult hipster, so I think I'll stick with Android for the foreseeable future.

CB > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability 04/16/2020 at 15:36

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They’re still asking $940 for the s10e on Telus. For a $300 savings, I’d be game to switch.

CB > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 04/16/2020 at 15:36

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That’s what I have to do with my Pixel now, so at least I’ll be familiar!

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:37

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That’s ridiculous!

So damn expensive....shame actually, since its quite a good phone and its sized well too (smallish)

CB > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability 04/16/2020 at 15:39

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Canadian prices, remember. But yes, I was considering replacing my phone a few months ago, saw the prices, and decided to ride it out instead.

Poor_Sh > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:39

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S10e is basically my perfect phone. I got it for $450, 128 internal, external SD up to 512 I think, still has headphone jack. Basically a flagship minus some shit I don't need at all. 

CB > Poor_Sh 04/16/2020 at 15:40

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That’s a damn good price, but on my provider they’re still flagship priced*.

*Well, where they used to be before they all went $1200+.

interstate366, now In The Industry > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 04/16/2020 at 15:40

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I briefly went to a Pixel in 2018 after a couple years on iPhones. After 3 months it was literally falling apart. I got an iPhone XR at the beginning of 2019 and it hasn’t given me a moment’s trouble.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:41

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Mainly, it’s my photos. On any given day I’m sure I can go to log into Google (and, I do this regularly) and download FULL RESOLUTION originals of every pic I’ve ever taken to my own photo archive. Seeing the ass pain my GF had to go through on her iPhone 8 to get around Apple ? Nah, I’m not interested.

OTOH, I’m clearly a freak because I divorced Windows years ago and run Linux on all my machines so I just like being able to do stuff outside the lines.

OTOOH, the “it just works” thing with Apple is damn appealing a lot of days, so I can’t argue my POV too strenuously.

OTOOOH, I think Apple’s stuff is kinda over-priced relative to any better they might be.  I’m buying two year old releases of Android phones and am quite happy paying $250, not $750-1000.

interstate366, now In The Industry > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 04/16/2020 at 15:41

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Never had a moment’s trouble with my XR in almost a year and a half of ownership.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > ttyymmnn 04/16/2020 at 15:42

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Yeah, it was the first Apple product I’d bought since the MacBook Pro from years ago that I really like but felt it was at least 300% over-priced. So, I bought “the poor person’s iPhone” and paid the price.

so, no argument from me.  But I refuse to pay $1000 for a phone.  never.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 04/16/2020 at 15:43

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My kids have had mixed results with iPhone 7s and 8s... but they keep going back to the well...

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:46

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Oooh, geez.  Pixel?  yeah, your point is well-taken... if Google can’t get it working right on their own hardware?  Ouch.

shop-teacher > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 04/16/2020 at 15:46

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I did.  My 6s was fine, but I missed Android.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 04/16/2020 at 15:47

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My iphone 7 was great, in the end I had battery issues and it was just a pain in the ass to live with. 

Thomas Donohue > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:47

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I’m not an Apple person, but I was looking at this as my GF needs an upgrade (I think she has a 6? Maybe a 5.....?? ). Anyway, it l ooks pretty good for the price.

Personally I’m not sure I can buy another phone that doesn’t have the fingerprint sensor on the back where my index finger sits. For now I’m still locked into my Pixel 2, but I may start looking at some refub Pixel 3's.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability 04/16/2020 at 15:48

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yeah, totally agree. hated, hated, hated the UI on that iPhone 5c. Will NOT pay a premium to go back to shitty UI, despite the relative stability of the platform.

Oddly, the Samsungs have been the most reliable Androids for me.

Poor_Sh > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:48

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Can you not do this and activate today to save $50?

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-galaxy-s10e-with-128gb-memory-cell-phone-unlocked-prism-white/6323361.p?skuId=6323361&contractId=unactivated&ref=212&loc=1&ref=212&loc=1&gclsrc=aw.ds&&gclid=CjwKCAjwhOD0BRAQEiwAK7JHmBl3bIMptVAz06yQjaEHTtF1uqcJFH1BVLwfC2kHLJCkMy_6e9-jWxoCA6MQAvD_BwE

Idk why Canada would get different deals...

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:49

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In fairness, a buddy also was all hot on the Pixel out just two years ago.  The fever passed quickly and he’s “meh” on Pixel by now.  Not a lemon, but WAAYY over-sold.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 04/16/2020 at 15:50

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OnePlus always gets great reviews.  Unfailingly.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:50

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Bailing, if on a ship, means you’re staying on board, attempting to keep it afloat. You’re thinking of  “jumping ship”. =)

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 04/16/2020 at 15:51

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Borg Queen’s got you in The Hive? hard to leave, commander, hard to leave...

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:52

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Speaking of which, I SO want a SONY Alpha 7ii...

But I want to spend $300.

CB > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 04/16/2020 at 15:52

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Potato tomato.

CB > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 04/16/2020 at 15:53

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The battery life is a little lacklustre, but I like it. Unfortunately, they're not $300 (yet).

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:57

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Just out of curiosity, and I’m not trying to be a smart-ass, but as a photographer, have you looked at the NOKIA 7.2? Zeiss optics... and the collective claims that if you run (not Google’ s!) an after market camera app RAW that the results are stunning.

It’s solidly mid-range, is Android One with solid release support, is affordable and gets rave reviews. I’ve been tempted to replace my older Galaxy Dual-Sim with one.

And, yeah (holds head in shame) I did own that Nokia with the mega large image sensor... Lumia 1020? Oh, man, were the photos and videos great, even if every other thing about the phone sucked. But the photos were amazing.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > CB 04/16/2020 at 15:58

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Sigh.  Yeah.  I’ve seen First Gen Alpha 7s go for $500, body-only, so it will be awhile.

ttyymmnn > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 04/16/2020 at 16:03

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We have 8's and they are great. Bought three of them new for my kids last fall, and they were nowhere near $1k.

chaozbandit > CB 04/16/2020 at 16:06

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Alternatively

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 04/16/2020 at 16:07

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Meh, I don’t mind it. I can text and call from my computer, all of my devices sync automatically without ever having to set stuff up. Take a picture on your phone? Now it’s on your computer/iPad/watch, etc.

They just make it so easy.

It’s like Tesla. Is Apple shitty? oh yes, but what they get right, they get very very right.

On a separate note, you guys should try this KoolAid, it’s delicious!

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > CB 04/16/2020 at 16:15

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I just heard about this phone yesterday (I gave up following the rumor sites years ago) and decided that this will probably be my next phone. My trusty old 6S Plus is doing just fine, especially with the new battery I put in last year, but it won’t be long until iOS upgrades are no longer available or just painful to use. I’m pleasantly  surprised that my old phone has lasted this long, but I wouldn’t mind something a little speedier.

CB > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 04/16/2020 at 16:17

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I’ve looked at it before, but I’m 50/50 on it for some reason I really can’t justify. I’ve heard the camera is solid, but... I dunno, I’m just not super interested in it. Price is $100 less than the SE, which makes it a solid contender.

CB > chaozbandit 04/16/2020 at 16:18

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It’s in my considerations.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 04/16/2020 at 16:19

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My OnePlus 6 was by far my favorite phone ever. Lightning fast, great battery, great form factor, etc. I was quite bummed when Verizon was the only carrier with service at my new apartment. I would have bought a 7 Pro but I didn’t have the spare budget to be able to outright buy a phone.

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > CB 04/16/2020 at 16:22

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I don’t know if I’d jump to a new OS for it, and am happy with my clean android experience (Pixel 3a). But I’m happy this phone exists now - my wife is all aboard the Apple train and will never consider anything else (trust me, I’ve tried). So I’m glad this exists with a decent processor, good enough camera, and the other basics she would need without sacrificing a year’s worth of grocery money next time she needs a new phone .

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > ttyymmnn 04/16/2020 at 16:23

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And, I’ve been buying iPhones for my kids too. I’m just kinda “Saying No” for my personal book.

But, by now, I candidly find Google more than a little creepy.

interstate366, now In The Industry > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 04/16/2020 at 16:23

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Mine was a lemon. By 3 months it was falling apart.

CB > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 04/16/2020 at 16:26

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I feel we’re often pushing for too much in a lot of mainstream tech and cars. I’d like something nicely built with decent specs. Meanwhile, everyone is going “do you want to run VR? Do you want to game? Tap to pay, 120 hz display?” No, I just want good photos, internet, and something that’ll last me a while. I don’t give a damn about the rest.

Chariotoflove > CB 04/16/2020 at 16:27

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It’s a good value.

Be sure to get the red version. Apple is giving all of its income from the product red line to covid relief through September.

https://www.macobserver.com/news/product-red-covid-19-relief-fund/

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > CB 04/16/2020 at 17:07

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Even in USD, I won’t pay that much.....thats like $60 USD right? :P

404 - User No Longer Available > CB 04/16/2020 at 17:19

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Apple trolled the Android OEMs hard. Those idiots spent all this time chasing the price increases and doing all the stupid, unnecessary changes (removing headphone jacks, adding notches for no good reason when Android doesn’t need it), they give them a huge punch in the kisser in the mid-range. Now even less people will buy those overpriced f lagships.

I still wouldn’t get one though... I need my physical keyboard.

CB > 404 - User No Longer Available 04/16/2020 at 17:20

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It’s an impressive move that I’m falling for.

Nauraushaun > CB 04/16/2020 at 18:06

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I’ve been on the OnePlus ship for a while now. I’d say they started offering a strong phone with less garbage “features” for well under $1k, back when Apple was the guy driving phone prices through the roof.

Textured Soy Protein > CB 04/16/2020 at 18:37

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If you like Android, wait for the Pixel 4a announcement. My wife is very happy with her 3a. 

CB > Textured Soy Protein 04/16/2020 at 18:40

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I’ll wait to see it next month. Probably won’t buy a new phone until June.

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 04/16/2020 at 21:11

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This is my first Samsung and I do agree, its everything I want with minimum  annoyance.

Textured Soy Protein > CB 04/16/2020 at 21:33

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The 4a specs are pretty much known at this point. Both are small and have headphone jacks . The SE has a better CPU and wireless charging, the 4a is not much larger but with way less bezels has way more screen, and it’s higher resolution. SE appare tly won’t have a proper night mode like the 4a’s Night Sight which is on all Pixels.

I much prefer Android over iOS so it’s no contest for me but there’s your differences.

https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/03/19/everything-we-know-about-googles-upcoming-pixel-4a

CB > Textured Soy Protein 04/16/2020 at 21:37

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I just hope Google doesn’t botch the launch like they did with the 4.

Textured Soy Protein > CB 04/16/2020 at 22:06

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I’m actually more curious about the Pixel 5. I haven’t been too interested in the flagship Pixels because I think they’re too pricey for what they offer, but the 5 is going to have the Snapdragon 765, which is Qualcomm’s second best chip this year. Supposedly this is being done because the SD865 includes a mandatory 5G modem that drives the price up. The theory is Google is trying to keep the price of the 5 low. Which could also explain why there’s not going to be a 4a XL. If the 5 price drops vs. the 4 there would be less room in the lineup for a 4a XL.

Generally I’m a Pixel and OnePlus guy, and I used to like Motorola back in the day but can’t bring myself to trust them and their terrible track record with updates under Lenovo ownership. OnePlus prices keep creeping up.

I think Google realized from the popularity of the 3a, there’s definitely a lot of people who want a phone that has good-enough specs, a great camera, and a reasonable price. Leaning into those attributes with the 5 , and maybe even giving it a headphone jack and fingerprint sensor , while keeping the price in line with the non-Pro OnePlus 8, or maybe even a little cheaper, would help Google sell a lot of phones. Well, as many sales as there are to be had with the world turned upside down.

CB > Textured Soy Protein 04/17/2020 at 00:56

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The price is what’s keeping me away from upgrading. And while the 3a would’ve been great, it didn’t have enough storage space for me.

I had a Moto G years ago. Pretty good budget phone. I miss it a bit to be honest.

Honestly, I can wait a bit yet, but the problem with tech is there’ll always be something better/faster/ cheaper in the future. Eventually you’ve got to bite the bullet.

duurtlang > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 04/17/2020 at 03:04

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I had an iPhone for work for a few years. Hated it. So glad I don’t have to get back to iOS.

It's all a matter of preference, I believe.

duurtlang > 404 - User No Longer Available 04/17/2020 at 04:03

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Really? I’m typing this on a phone I bought last winter, and which beats this new iPhone in every way... And is priced lower. It doesn’t have iOS obviously, which is a plus to me but a downside to others.

Ignoring the subjective advantages and disadvantages of the different OSs, there are much better phones out there for the same price.

The only reason to buy this new iPhone is because you want an iPhone. Period. 

pip bip - choose Corrour > CB 04/17/2020 at 07:25

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AUD$829 for a 128gb SE, so in the morning i’ll order on myself, in black

Textured Soy Protein > CB 04/17/2020 at 10:04

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My wife has a 3a and loves it but she doesn’t have any need for a ton of storage. She had a Moto G5+ before that. She was also very happy with that phone but the smaller width, camera, screen and general speed of the 3a were all nice improvements for her.

I have an Essential, which I love, which replaced a Galaxy S7 Edge that I hated and could only keep for a year, which replaced a Moto X Pure which I loved until I decided I really should be using a screen lock, but it didn’t have a fingerprint sensor and a PIN got tedious.

If I had to buy a phone right now it'd probably be between a 3a XL or OnePlus 7T. I don't need the latest greatest and have a hard time justifying spending over $500 for a phone when perfectly good ones can still be had for that amount or less.